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In Which We Think Some Folks Don't "Get It"

Some of you may have seen my recent Blog articles on "GenCon for the Aspiring Professional". I'm happy to say that they reached far more readers than I ever anticipated (thanks in part to being Slashdotted and posted to Reddit) and I had many folks come up to me at the convention and mention they'd read them and found them useful, which I was very pleased about.

However, as with anything, there's always going to be a bit of negativity mixed in with the good.

On one of the forums where the links were posted, I was contacted by an individual who requested some of my time after having read the articles. Since my schedule was already beginning to fill up a bit, and since he hadn't expressed why he wanted to meet, I asked for clarification. He gave me some information about what he wanted, and it seemed that he had some unrealistic ideas about what my role in the industry was. As well, he seemed to want to use my contacts to promote his own agendas, which is (as I'm sure you all agree) is just rude and presumptous, especially coming from someone who I don't even know.)

However, rather than point out his rudeness, I politely but firmly expressed that I couldn't do for him what he wanted me to, but that I wished him well. I thought this was the end of it, until a random google search for an unrelated topic brought a recent blog post he'd made to my attention...

His post is contained, in its entirety, below...
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Thursday, 06 August 2009

Where is the Professionalism?

So I am bouncing around the http://community.gencon.com/ forums. Its a web community dedicated to that greatest of conventions Gen Con. An event I have wanted to go to since the first moment I heard about it. It is the "greatest four days in gaming" as they promote it, and it is the largest trade convention in the gaming world. By "gaming" in this context I refer to Table Tops / Pen and Papers / D&D style games instead of VGs. This nomenclature issue being the very essence of why I believe that a terms such as "Chamber Plays" needs to be codified and promoted. Such a thing I will be able to do should... when ...I am successful at finding a financial backer at Gen Con. As I was saying ...

I am bouncing around the community and I get directed to a lady by the name of Jess Hartley. She is a writer for White Wolf. She has a website www.jesshartley.com and she is posting a "how to get ahead" etc etc etc blog about how to connect and market oneself at Gen Con. Overtly meant for writers - not Mr. Put Me On Air.

I contact her. I politely and professionally ask to schedule a meeting to talk about my plans for the marketing proposal and dungeon master PhD program ideas. Anytime durring Gen Con. Point of interest she had tweeted requesting such a contacts from podcasters. Her response to me was more than dismissive. It was insulting. She obviously read the information I sent her and decided that I was an idiot and quite possibly retarded. My propencity to misspell things may very well have contributed to that. She "wished me well" but said "I don't think I can help you" which is outright BS. Of course she can help me. Of course she knows it, and I am far from retarded. She is a PR insider at White Wolf. A ten minute conversation with her would very manifestly help me. She could have suggested a different person to talk to at the very least.

Instead she decided I was a crazy person. What has happened to professionalism? I was taught that if someone contacts you and asks for a meeting you schedule it. If there are no openings you direct them to someone else that can fit them in. A person has taken the time to attempt to contact you professionally and they deserve the same respect every person does of being responded to professionally. What did I get? The brush off. Well... for Jess Hartley I have these parting words (that I broadcast instead of hostily directly messaging her), I of course woudl be more than willing to renew contact with Jess Hartley should she (or her marketing team) read this blog.

"No one ever made millions by thinking inside the box."


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I was going to respond on his blog, but then realized that I really didn't want to send any more traffic his direction. I mean, he probably has tens of readers... (oh, wait... fives of readers, if most of his blog views are accurate...) and I wouldn't want to overwhelm his site. I also didn't want to take any chances on my words being edited or deleted... Not that I think such a professional person would consider doing such a thing, but better safe than sorry...
And, while I realize that the 100% professional response would have been to just ignore this rant, I also didn't feel quite right about doing that. While I have no desire to engage in a flame war, I was directly, and by name, attacked - and that deserves some sort of response. I did, however, feel that it was necessary to show that such a response could be achieved, even in the face of such insults, without lowering one's self into unprofessionalism.

So, here's a "public" response.


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Dear (Name Redacted),
Firstly, I feel you misrepresented our communications, thus I am including them here.
Your request (fleshed out after I asked for clarification) was:

"Simply enough ... I found you. Not every gamer professional has as solid a web presence as you do - you encourage podcasting, and basically ... you seem PR savvy and I would like to sit for a moment and talk about stuff and things. The D&D PhD being one of them. A marketing proposal for the industry being another. Certainly you could pencil me in for a quick chat - ten to thirty minutes sometime durring
the convention? What would really be awesome is if you could arrange for one of the podcasters to be there so the lucky guy could have "Recording of Jess Hartley and (Name Redacted) discussing the future of gaming" as their Podcast title!"

My response was:

"(Name Redacted),

Thank you. I do work very hard on PR and marketing myself - I think it's a vital skill for a freelancer.

I have to be honest with you, however - I've read over your D&D PhD thread, and while I totally respect and support you making this your focus, it's not really something I am interested in or have time to advocate. 

Nor am I responsible in any way for any industry marketing other than my own attempts to create a brand for myself.  Each company has professional employees who handle those sorts of decisions for their organization, and speaking to me, as a freelancer, about your ideas is going to be no more useful to you than speaking to your mailman or local grocer about them. It's just not my role within the industry.

As well, podcasters normally come to me asking for information about a particular product or game they believe their listeners would find interesting. I don't hold any favored status - I'm an information source for them, if they're looking for particular topics. It's not really my place to "pitch" interview ideas to them. If you would like to do so, their contact information is commonly available on the internet - perhaps you can find one that would be interested in speaking with you about your D&D PhD idea.

I'm sorry to be a downer, but it sounds like the things you're trying to achieve are not things I can help you with. I do wish you the best of luck, however!

 ~jess "

To which you responded:

"Aww, Jess!I am not trying to do anything more than talk. Publicity is publicity. Imagine the impact on your reputation when I am successful "

To be blunt, you were asking me for things which were out of my sphere of influence, and in doing so, displayed a glaring lack of knowledge about how the professional gaming industry works, combined with an appallingly large dose of entitlement and egotism. You asked for things which, had they been within my power to do, would be large personal favors (asking me to pull strings on your behalf to get podcast coverage for a conversation to promote your ideas), and rudely suggested that I should do so to aid my own career.

I responded politely but firmly, explaining in simple but polite terms my views of the situation.

First, your personal mission (D&D PhD) is not mine, and I have no interest in promoting or supporting it - I will not critique it, but I have no interest in spending time on it. If I wasn't upfront with folks who have "pet projects" that I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon of, I'd waste their time and mine, and that's hardly professional.

Secondly, I am a freelance writer. I have nothing to do with any company's marketing or publicity. Companies hire me to write words for them, or to edit their books. Period. I am a contractor who provides a service - writing or editing. I am not a "PR insider". I have no "marketing team". I'm uncertain of why you fail to understand this, but it is a simple fact. I write. I edit. I make games.

And, thirdly, I do not approach podcasts and ask them to record me doing things, even on my own personal projects. To do so would change my relationship with the media of the industry, and I would not do so on my own behalf, let alone on behalf of someone I do not know. To ask me for such a favor, when it might negatively impact my hard-earned relationship with the industry's media, is not only presumptuous, it is rude.

I answered you honestly, politely, and firmly. For you to lambaste me upon your blog only reiterates how far from "professional" you truly are.

Perhaps, before you take umbrage at others' actions, you should look in the mirror and reflect upon your own? You obviously were seeking to use my contacts and name to promote your own project, despite us having no sort of business or professional relationship. You asked me for wholly inappropriate favors, and then insulted me by trying to state that associating with you and your ideas would benefit my career (despite the fact that you're, at best, an aspiring professional in the industry.) And then you turn around and, rather than accept my polite demure of your requests - attempt to paint /me/ as unprofessional? Put words in my mouth, claiming that I had "obviously" made unsavory assessments of you? Call my polite response "BS"?

I do not know what you were taught, sir... But to assume that everyone who you request time of (regardless of how or why) owes it to you, is not politeness. Your responses, both in your letters and here, only prove my assessment correct (which was not that you were crazy or retarded, but that your views and way of doing things was not compatible with mine and that you were not someone whom I desired to become closer associated with).

I still wish you the best. I hope that you do find those whose goals and ways of doing things suit your personality and projects. However I am not that person, and if you would like to do business in this or any other industry, you would be well served to remember that a) your words will be heard, but not necessarily in the way you would prefer them to be, and b) no one owes you anything, and if you behave as if they do, you will be treated like the ill-mannered, egotistical, self-important, clueless wretch that you are portraying.

Sincerely,
~jess hartley
www.jesshartley.com

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I can assure you that, while my earlier opinion of this writer was "not really my thing, but hopefully he'll find the information he needs", his direct and personal attack against me has definitely swayed my opinion in a negative direction.  I hope that he finds, not only the information he was seeking, but additionally some insight on how the industry works as well as how inter-personal communications work.

Provided here, as an example of "What not to do" when interacting with folks in the industry... A lesson that I am sorry to have to be bringing forth, but which I hope others will learn fro
m as well.


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Yeah, that kind of attitude is going to take him far in the industry. Mmm hmmm.
Or any industry, for that matter.

-Tug
Wow, seems there was more than a few folks claiming to be professional, but clearly were not, this year at GenCon.
It's the rise of the penny a word freelancer/Lulu-dude. They think there's a trick, a cheat to get ahead. But the trick is content. Everything else is icing.
You Win. So F'in hard.

Good job.
What I don't understand is why he'd say things like that to you/about you if he is so certain that you have the all-important contacts that will make his little scheme reality? Obviously he found you on the internet, does he think no one will ever look him up?

Good response to an obvious fool.
He's obviously half-troll. It's in his blood, it seems.

It's a funny story. Not from your reaction -- you handled it like a gem. But the assumptions he makes, and the misspellings. Priceless.

-- c.
That guy again? Man, I'm glad you pulled the rip-cord when you did.
Oh man. I get quite a few of those as well on my side. People trying to break in thinking they can persuade me to work on their projects without paying me, with the promise of 'You'll be more famous when I make it big [on your work]', then turn around and call me an egotistical bitch when I politely turn them down due to my full project schedule (and the need to actually make money to pay the bills).

For some reason, I am seeing more and more people with this entitlement issue driving all of their associations with others. It bothers me. There's no concept of politeness, professionalism, or working for what you want among some of these people. And to top it off, they got their little crew of internet yes-men to go 'Yeah, you're right, that person is a dick [for not dropping everything and taking on more work for nothing].'

Hopefully your reply to this guy will wake him up.

Edited at 2009-08-20 08:48 pm (UTC)
Yikes. Hopefully this will be a... learning experience for him.
Not holding my breath.
Ugh, I'm sorry you had to put up with someone like that. I think for better or worse this is the point where you're fully 'arriving' as an industry celebrity: your first big attention-seeking leech. There's just no winning with these folks; unless you do your celebrity endorsement for him, or he tries to milk it for all he can if you turn him down.
...are they trying to market ass-hats? Because they are engaged in wanton asshattery, even grade-A of such.
So, he's a slope-brow knuckle dragging retard. Got it :-)
I love how not only do you sum it up so succinctly, but you put it in anthropological terms as well. :)
'Hey, can you have a chat with me ...and market my idea for free while you're at it?'

Yeah, no. :P It happens; when you are seen to work for a certain place, people think you have an inside scoop. Sadly, most times that I do, it's not helpful for the situation at all!

You were very nice to him. He needs some serious attitude readjusting.
What's most amusing is that this tool thinks you, personally, have a "marketing team." Clearly he's got an overwrought idea of what equals success in the gaming industry.
I think that you now have good reason for two more columns: "How to ask a pro for a favor" and "How to respond to rejection". Take this guys poison and make something good of it.
Five stars.
Oh, my. That's...special. Good gods. Though it seems to be the season for it -- a couple weeks back, I got a random email out of the blue from someone asking if I still had the original files for a bit of OWoD fanwork I did back in the day for the Oradea League and the Old Clan Tzimisce. Given that these documents are fifteen years old, I'm immensely flattered that someone still thinks of them fondly and wants to read them...

And then the individual who contacted me asks if he can file the serial numbers off them and use them in his own original works. Once I pulled myself off the floor, I turned to my husband and said, "While all the OCT stuff is primarily based on public-domain vampire stories and characters that fit the Tzimisce prototype, should I be amused, insulted, or outraged that this guy took the time out to ask if he could rip me off?"
Amused. Most of the time, they just do it, and then make ill-conceived references to information wanting to be free when you call them on it.
Now I'm all curious what a D&D PhD does. Is one qualified to run games for RPGA? Can they comment with authority on the Wizards forums? Is his suggestion to create tiers of DMs and players for organized play? Or maybe like RPGA judges, which we have?

I'm always curious, but dialog like this inclines me to dismiss his ideas entirely. He should probably be aware that, though you don't work everywhere, everywhere has eyes on things like this.

All I can say is...

WOW...

I don't think I could have handled it with your patience and aplomp, Jess. This is why you are a true professional and one of the best women in the business. Even knowing you fairly well, (online wise) I would never presume any of that.

Re: All I can say is...

and I can't spell either today... aplomb. darn medications
You rock Jess!

@fray
Matt
Ah, I'm reminded of one such similar character who used to frequent Dallas conventions, and may still do so. His big dream was for the US Post Office to issue a Rod Serling postage stamp, and his way of pushing for it was to attend every convention panel he could, interrupt the subject at hand with his issue, and loudly badmouthing anybody who tried to bring the conversation back to the topic at hand. To steal from the cartoonist Sam Hurt, psychology doesn't work on this type, but taxidermy does.
That was me, in sekrit.
While I don't know you very well the small time we play tested together you were the epitome of politeness. Even though I think this guy deserves to be chewed out, you kept things honest and classy. It's rare to see a personality transfer from real life to internet like yours does, with nothing lost. : )
"Imagine the impact on your reputation when I am successful."
Wow, ego much? Someone needs to get out of his basement if he thinks that's the sort of thing which will convince you to want to help him...

Hi :)

Wow.
Your response(s) were the epitome of class.
The fellow in question just don't have no couth.
:)
All the best,
@RKCharron
xoxo
...wow. This guy reminds me of one of my late father's favorite sayings. "You may never be a model, but you could always be a bad example."

Every time I see examples of this sort of entitlement, I cringe. Doesn't anyone accept the fact that they have to work for what they want, any more?

I rather think that this guy will soon learn exactly what his jackassery has bought him: a bad reputation that will last a long, long time.
Doesn't anyone accept the fact that they have to work for what they want, any more?

Sadly, the answer is generally "no."

(Anonymous)

Its PR Time!



Unnnnggggggg..! He meet Jess PR guy?

PR guy SMASH!!!



I am just sayin'...
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